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		<title>By: Move review: And now for something completely fucked up &#171; Odd Fellows Rest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Move review: And now for something completely fucked up &#171; Odd Fellows Rest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 12:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] likable Al Pacino performances. The Prestige was sheepishly mesmerizing at best and a Joker-less The Dark Knight would have been both propagandistic and boring. Maybe people just can&#8217;t love him enough for [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] likable Al Pacino performances. The Prestige was sheepishly mesmerizing at best and a Joker-less The Dark Knight would have been both propagandistic and boring. Maybe people just can&#8217;t love him enough for [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Deery</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Deery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Apr 2010 06:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt I have a problem with your wording. 

You say &quot;the Dark Knight is a very cool movie.  It’s just not as good as people are saying.&quot; 

Did you ever stop to consider that others simply think differently than you do? Sure, YOU don&#039;t think it is worth all the hype. Makes sense as not everyone has the same taste. But to go as far and say that it is not as good as people are saying is completely untrue. Why? Because it is THEIR opinion. Opinion cannot be proven true or false. Just like you say it isn&#039;t the greatest (which I don&#039;t think it is the greatest, but it is great) others will think differently. I can see your stance on this film, but to call others out for saying it is the greatest is truly a waste of breath. That is like trying to tell Twilight lovers those movies suck. Are they good to most movie connoisseurs? Of course not. Do the Twilight fans think they are the greatest? Yes! And that is their God given opinion to think so. You can&#039;t say that it is not as good as people say, because what people say is up to them...NOT you. 

As for you saying that Ledger&#039;s role could have been played by DDL, that is also your opinion. We have hard evidence that Ledger destroyed his role, and that is more than enough. Oscars aren&#039;t picked based on the fact that other people could play the role, they are picked on the role played. I am sure other actors could have played Gump, Maximus, or Rocky had they been challenged to the role. But again... it&#039;s a matter of opinion. 

As for the Joker saying he wasn&#039;t a schemer, he was not saying that because he believed it. He was saying it to manipulate Dent. How could you miss this? Really? We see him scheming the WHOLE movie. We as the audience know he schemes. So why is this piece even relevant to any argument? Ever notice how the Joker has a different story for each time he discusses how he got his scars?? He lies, he manipulates, he deceives. That&#039;s in his character. 

I think Nancy hit the argument on the head. The Joker exposes fear in the people after the city starts to take a turn towards the good in the first film. He uses that fear to destabilize the city, and even more so push the boundaries of what Batman said he&#039;d do. All of this is brought about from the discourse in the movie through Alfred and Bruce, and the Joker and Batman (you&#039;ll have to break your one rule). 

No Batcave or Wayne Manor? Are you serious? The first movie clearly showed the mansion burning down right? REMEMBER? The first movie ends with a reference to the Joker, meaning they couldn&#039;t elapse time years, the problem of the Joker was already presented. Should the second movie just jump ahead with a magically created mansion and cave to make you happy? That is called realism, and good storytelling. His house was burnt down, this is how he dealt with it. 

And Dent being unrealistic? That claim is not backed up, so I don&#039;t even know where to go with this one. 

Finally.... @ Craig. He didn&#039;t know he was going to get arrested to plant the bomb. It&#039;s called, a Plan B. By having a back up plan for his scheme to capture Dent, this allowed him to escape after failing. Of course he didn&#039;t know he was going to get caught... but in the event that he did he placed a bomb in the guys stomach. Is that really so difficult to believe the Joker would take a worthless pawn and put a bomb in him to save his ass in case he gets arrested? I think not. That is not that fictitious... even most sane people have a Plan B, I would have to think a notorious villain would have one. 

Moral of the story... spit your opinion and call it that. Don&#039;t call people out for having their own. It is simply ludicrous for you to sit and say others are wrong. You can say this is why you don&#039;t agree... but WE are not wrong, and neither are you. OPINION.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt I have a problem with your wording. </p>
<p>You say &#8220;the Dark Knight is a very cool movie.  It’s just not as good as people are saying.&#8221; </p>
<p>Did you ever stop to consider that others simply think differently than you do? Sure, YOU don&#8217;t think it is worth all the hype. Makes sense as not everyone has the same taste. But to go as far and say that it is not as good as people are saying is completely untrue. Why? Because it is THEIR opinion. Opinion cannot be proven true or false. Just like you say it isn&#8217;t the greatest (which I don&#8217;t think it is the greatest, but it is great) others will think differently. I can see your stance on this film, but to call others out for saying it is the greatest is truly a waste of breath. That is like trying to tell Twilight lovers those movies suck. Are they good to most movie connoisseurs? Of course not. Do the Twilight fans think they are the greatest? Yes! And that is their God given opinion to think so. You can&#8217;t say that it is not as good as people say, because what people say is up to them&#8230;NOT you. </p>
<p>As for you saying that Ledger&#8217;s role could have been played by DDL, that is also your opinion. We have hard evidence that Ledger destroyed his role, and that is more than enough. Oscars aren&#8217;t picked based on the fact that other people could play the role, they are picked on the role played. I am sure other actors could have played Gump, Maximus, or Rocky had they been challenged to the role. But again&#8230; it&#8217;s a matter of opinion. </p>
<p>As for the Joker saying he wasn&#8217;t a schemer, he was not saying that because he believed it. He was saying it to manipulate Dent. How could you miss this? Really? We see him scheming the WHOLE movie. We as the audience know he schemes. So why is this piece even relevant to any argument? Ever notice how the Joker has a different story for each time he discusses how he got his scars?? He lies, he manipulates, he deceives. That&#8217;s in his character. </p>
<p>I think Nancy hit the argument on the head. The Joker exposes fear in the people after the city starts to take a turn towards the good in the first film. He uses that fear to destabilize the city, and even more so push the boundaries of what Batman said he&#8217;d do. All of this is brought about from the discourse in the movie through Alfred and Bruce, and the Joker and Batman (you&#8217;ll have to break your one rule). </p>
<p>No Batcave or Wayne Manor? Are you serious? The first movie clearly showed the mansion burning down right? REMEMBER? The first movie ends with a reference to the Joker, meaning they couldn&#8217;t elapse time years, the problem of the Joker was already presented. Should the second movie just jump ahead with a magically created mansion and cave to make you happy? That is called realism, and good storytelling. His house was burnt down, this is how he dealt with it. </p>
<p>And Dent being unrealistic? That claim is not backed up, so I don&#8217;t even know where to go with this one. </p>
<p>Finally&#8230;. @ Craig. He didn&#8217;t know he was going to get arrested to plant the bomb. It&#8217;s called, a Plan B. By having a back up plan for his scheme to capture Dent, this allowed him to escape after failing. Of course he didn&#8217;t know he was going to get caught&#8230; but in the event that he did he placed a bomb in the guys stomach. Is that really so difficult to believe the Joker would take a worthless pawn and put a bomb in him to save his ass in case he gets arrested? I think not. That is not that fictitious&#8230; even most sane people have a Plan B, I would have to think a notorious villain would have one. </p>
<p>Moral of the story&#8230; spit your opinion and call it that. Don&#8217;t call people out for having their own. It is simply ludicrous for you to sit and say others are wrong. You can say this is why you don&#8217;t agree&#8230; but WE are not wrong, and neither are you. OPINION.</p>
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		<title>By: Movie review: Prisoners, superheroes and twins &#171; footprints&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://www.themoviebanter.com/2009/03/the-dark-knightan-overrated-film/#comment-2379</link>
		<dc:creator>Movie review: Prisoners, superheroes and twins &#171; footprints&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 15:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] acclaimed (and highest grossing) film based on a comic book is a two-trick pony. The truth is, The Dark Knight, without Heath Ledger or Maggie Gyllenhaal, would have been hard to digest; in hindsight everything [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] acclaimed (and highest grossing) film based on a comic book is a two-trick pony. The truth is, The Dark Knight, without Heath Ledger or Maggie Gyllenhaal, would have been hard to digest; in hindsight everything [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Matt H</title>
		<link>http://www.themoviebanter.com/2009/03/the-dark-knightan-overrated-film/#comment-1959</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 02:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>best. movie. ever.</description>
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		<title>By: Catching up with &#34;The Dark Knight&#34; :: The Movie Banter</title>
		<link>http://www.themoviebanter.com/2009/03/the-dark-knightan-overrated-film/#comment-169</link>
		<dc:creator>Catching up with &#34;The Dark Knight&#34; :: The Movie Banter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 20:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Dark Knight is a good film. The hype last Summer for it was completely out of control.  For this, it is not as good as people think it is.  Check out this link [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Dark Knight is a good film. The hype last Summer for it was completely out of control.  For this, it is not as good as people think it is.  Check out this link [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Batman 3 Rumor Mill :: The Movie Banter</title>
		<link>http://www.themoviebanter.com/2009/03/the-dark-knightan-overrated-film/#comment-168</link>
		<dc:creator>The Batman 3 Rumor Mill :: The Movie Banter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 04:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] follow up to &#8220;The Dark Knight&#8221; has been in the center of some recent rumor mill discussion.  First, Gary Oldman informs us [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] follow up to &#8220;The Dark Knight&#8221; has been in the center of some recent rumor mill discussion.  First, Gary Oldman informs us [...]</p>
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		<title>By: FlickChart – Helping you rank your favorite movies of all time &#124; The_Movie_Banter</title>
		<link>http://www.themoviebanter.com/2009/03/the-dark-knightan-overrated-film/#comment-167</link>
		<dc:creator>FlickChart – Helping you rank your favorite movies of all time &#124; The_Movie_Banter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] You can filter into specific genres for lists as well, so say favorite 80’s movie, or sports movie. This will help you break up what you like for different types of genres or occasions. Based on your pickings over time, the data is collected and you can see how you picks and the stats as they develop. It also will be integrated with the rest of the FlickChart community so you can see if The Dark Knight is everyone’s all time favorite even if you think it may be overrated. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] You can filter into specific genres for lists as well, so say favorite 80’s movie, or sports movie. This will help you break up what you like for different types of genres or occasions. Based on your pickings over time, the data is collected and you can see how you picks and the stats as they develop. It also will be integrated with the rest of the FlickChart community so you can see if The Dark Knight is everyone’s all time favorite even if you think it may be overrated. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Shia Labeouf is Officially a Hollywood A-Lister &#124; The_Movie_Banter</title>
		<link>http://www.themoviebanter.com/2009/03/the-dark-knightan-overrated-film/#comment-166</link>
		<dc:creator>Shia Labeouf is Officially a Hollywood A-Lister &#124; The_Movie_Banter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen&#8221; took in over $201 million, just losing out to The Dark Knight ($203 million) for the second largest 5 day opening in film history.  The man behind that success [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8220;Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen&#8221; took in over $201 million, just losing out to The Dark Knight ($203 million) for the second largest 5 day opening in film history.  The man behind that success [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 14:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish I had more to say to you but other than I completely agree, there isn&#039;t much.  I found that most people did feel the same we did. Just expected more and guess disappointed because of all the hype. Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish I had more to say to you but other than I completely agree, there isn&#8217;t much.  I found that most people did feel the same we did. Just expected more and guess disappointed because of all the hype. Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: justrobby</title>
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		<dc:creator>justrobby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 12:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting to hear your point of view on this Matt. I remember entering the cinemas to see this film carrying a huge bag of hype and critics reviews, but once the film had ended, i left the cinema saying &quot;was that it&quot;. It was a good film, but i think too many people just followed everyone else&#039;s line, and just played like it was the best film ever. I myself did not think it was the best. Many things could have been better, Nolan did do a great job, but he is no genius.
Heath was the best part of the film, i found myself just on the edge of my seat waiting for his next scene, not even caring about what Bruce Wayne was up to. And please dont even get me started with Batmans voice.

It was a great film, but it wasnt the best...

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;justrobby&#8217;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://notjustmovies.net/?p=2336&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;FIRST TRAILER - “Where the Wild things Are”&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting to hear your point of view on this Matt. I remember entering the cinemas to see this film carrying a huge bag of hype and critics reviews, but once the film had ended, i left the cinema saying &#8220;was that it&#8221;. It was a good film, but i think too many people just followed everyone else&#8217;s line, and just played like it was the best film ever. I myself did not think it was the best. Many things could have been better, Nolan did do a great job, but he is no genius.<br />
Heath was the best part of the film, i found myself just on the edge of my seat waiting for his next scene, not even caring about what Bruce Wayne was up to. And please dont even get me started with Batmans voice.</p>
<p>It was a great film, but it wasnt the best&#8230;</p>
<p><abbr><em>justrobby&#8217;s last blog post..<a href="http://notjustmovies.net/?p=2336" rel="nofollow">FIRST TRAILER &#8211; “Where the Wild things Are”</a></em></abbr></p>
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